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Posted on May 8th, 11:23 AM, , User Since 245 months ago, User Post Count: 1523
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wbbesq said... (original post) hyperbole much?Nobody has said they were going out of businesss...at least I haven't....so you can stop the gross, and completely false, exagge...
While I will be the first to say that anything can happen in the stock market, the overwhelming consensus is that you are wrong. You should reconsider posting things as vehement facts when they are really just your humble opinion, which may or may not have much behind them in terms of your experience or knowledge.
Posted on May 8th, 11:28 AM, , User Since 234 months ago, User Post Count: 4248
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The Corner Spur said... (original post) While I will be the first to say that anything can happen in the stock market, the overwhelming consensus is that you are wrong. You should ...
yawn.....
a stupid and completely meaningless conversation about stock investment...
I'll go with SCHWAB and their ratings.....(and Peter Lynch's original PEG formula) when I invest my money. (Doubt you even know what PEG is)
But hey, like I told the other guy, YOU feel free to mortgage your house and put all your money on Disney and let me know how that works our for you..
Posted on May 8th, 11:47 AM, , User Since 155 months ago, User Post Count: 9687
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TommyShelby said... (original post) I think so. If there is a cap, contracts limiting player movement, and collective are limited...then things like facilities, housing, and other ...
If it's anything close to what Dellenger pointed out, it would be a massive advantage for us for Clemson and the NC schools to stay in the ACC. It's also why 11/10 is massively important for us to get off the ground.
Posted on May 8th, 12:22 PM, , User Since 51 months ago, User Post Count: 16400
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The Corner Spur said... (original post) You should reconsider posting things as vehement facts when they are really just your humble opinion, which may or may not have much behind ...
Wait...then he would never be able to post.
Posted on May 8th, 12:41 PM, , User Since 33 months ago, User Post Count: 4982
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Nomad_SC said... (original post) It's a shame that the point of the 'law game' is to find any slight loophole to get out of a contract that they clearly had plenty ...
I get that too. But from the school's perspective the landscape has changed in a way that no one could have seriously anticipated at the time the GOR was signed. Unfortunately, that was a risk that FSU and Clemson agreed to either expressly or by implication. To another point, is it whether enforcing the GOR is in the ACCs best interests? It is plausible that the ultimate outcome of realignment will mean that the ACC member schools will be left out or at least occupy the backseat. Which brings me to another point. Has the ACC mismanaged realignment?
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wbbesq said... (original post) yawn.....a stupid and completely meaningless conversation about stock investment...I'll go with SCHWAB and their ratings.....(and Peter Lynch&#...
Disney's current PEG is 0.81 according to this: https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/dis/statistics/
A PEG lower than 1 is considered undervalued and a 'good' buy. Granted it's just one factor in what you should be looking at but since you brought it up just thought I'd point out that your own preferred metric shows Disney as a favorable stock to purchase at the moment.
Posted on May 8th, 12:57 PM, , User Since 51 months ago, User Post Count: 16400
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Wisestco*ck said... (original post) But from the school's perspective the landscape has changed in a way that no one could have seriously anticipated at the time the GOR was s...
How could you not think that there would be more money available in 2026, than in 2016?
Who signs a 20-year contract? It's crazy. They should have at LEAST put a 10-year "look in" to check market conditions.
Posted on May 8th, 2:28 PM, , User Since 33 months ago, User Post Count: 4982
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TommyShelby said... (original post) How could you not think that there would be more money available in 2026, than in 2016? Who signs a 20-year contract? It's crazy. They sho...
That's true and I would not have signed a 20 year deal, but maybe they had no choice. (I don't know anything about the vote -- maybe it had to be unanimous. But imagine the pressure if someone held out.)
But while more money could have been anticipated the full extent and consequence of conference realignment and the possible end of the NCAA was not dreamed of in 2016 as it currently appears to be unfolding.
Posted on May 8th, 2:34 PM, , User Since 51 months ago, User Post Count: 16400
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Wisestco*ck said... (original post) That's true and I would not have signed a 20 year deal, but maybe they had no choice. (I don't know anything about the vote -- maybe i...
I think someone said on here that the ACC insisted on the ACC network, and ESPN said the creating the ACC Network would require a 20-year commitment.
What's bad is that we're not even 10 years into the term and all this change has happened.
What will things look like in 2036?
One thing we know for sure...FSU and Clemson will still be in the ACC. The GOR is IRONCLAD!
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TommyShelby said... (original post) I think someone said on here that the ACC insisted on the ACC network, and ESPN said the creating the ACC Network would require a 20-year commi...
The original GOR was 14, years. They added another 6 years on to get the ACC Network in 2016. This article from Andy Staples (back before SI became a zombie IP) has a good explanation of how the original GOR came to be if you can get past the hosanas to John Swofford. I think the bottom line is that people forget just how shaky the ACC was back in 2012/13. The ACC could have folded. The Big 10 (well, Ten then) and PAC 10 had a GOR. The ACC's media consultant was telling them they needed a GOR as well. And he might have been right. FSU and the other schools could be worse off now if the GOR did not exist and schools started getting picked off. The article has a pretty good hint that FSU had nowhere else to go, since it notes that FSU made inquiries to the Big 12 in 2012 about joining and was told "Not interested." https://www.si.com/college/2013/05/15/john-swofford-acc
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Posted on May 8th, 3:12 PM, , User Since 164 months ago, User Post Count: 36064
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PalmettoLaw said... (original post) The original GOR was 14, years. They added another 6 years on to get the ACC Network in 2016. This article from Andy Staples (back before SI be...
Are all the ACC television rights wrapped into the one deal with ESPN or are there more than one for the primary package and then the rest?
I can tell you as someone that was fairly critical of the SEC locking themselves into a long term deal just before the Big 10 went to market, which resulted in needing to expand and create a network to catch up, that the long term deal the ACC locked into seemed iffy at the time though it must be said they achieved repati e parity with the SEC and Big 10 or close enough.
Problem of course being that the other two got to come back to market.
The new Big 10 will expire before the ACC contract is done I think. That's a problem.
But I think the ACC was always having to do stuff to appease the asshokes in Tallahasssee and that never really works out that well for a league it doesn't seem.
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PalmettoLaw said... (original post) The original GOR was 14, years. They added another 6 years on to get the ACC Network in 2016. This article from Andy Staples (back before SI be...
This is from that article you cited. Very revealing.
"The members wanted to stay together, but they had previously resisted agreeing to a Grant of Rights. Such an agreement transfers each school's media rights to the conference. Under the arrangement, a school is free to leave, but it cannot sell the television rights to its sporting events until the Grant of Rights expires. This essentially makes those schools worthless to another conference."
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Wisestco*ck said... (original post) This is from that article you cited. Very revealing."The members wanted to stay together, but they had previously resisted agreeing to a Gr...
Careful. Clemson calls that type of talk slanderous now.
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VBco*ck said... (original post) Are all the ACC television rights wrapped into the one deal with ESPN or are there more than one for the primary package and then the rest? I can te...
My understanding is that there is one media rights agreement that has been amended at least once. So you might have to look at multiple pieces of paper to see the full agreement.
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swimco*ck said... (original post) Clearly, you are not an astute investor. First, although I do not own DIS right now, I did very recently and have always earned nice gains on my i...
Disney is by far the most expensive company of the DOW companies with a current PE at 70. Based on historical PE ratios for DOW companies, the stock should be trading at 30 since their most recent year, they only made 1.26. Their book value is only 50 which is roughly half their stock price. With their revenues continuing to fall, this is a company no sane person would want to own.
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co*ck1649 said... (original post) Disney is by far the most expensive company of the DOW companies with a current PE at 70. Based on historical PE ratios for DOW companies, the sto...
But, their revenues have not fallen and many investment firms recommend DIS as a "buy" especially when virtually every target stock price shows relatively healthy appreciation and gains for the next year. Even the DIS PEG shows the stock as undervalued. It is idiotic to base any sole assessment on the PE ratio. I guess you know more.
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Funny how Clemson and FSU didn’t have a problem at all from 2013-2019 when they were both dominating garbage competition and waltzing into the playoff every year unscathed.
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VBco*ck said... (original post) Are all the ACC television rights wrapped into the one deal with ESPN or are there more than one for the primary package and then the rest? I can te...
They have ESPN and the CW package.
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TommyShelby said... (original post) I think someone said on here that the ACC insisted on the ACC network, and ESPN said the creating the ACC Network would require a 20-year commi...
The ACC schools were convinced that annACC network would make as much as the Big 10 and SEC Networks. ESPN tried to tell them they didn’t think it would be that successful. For those concerned for the ACC in discovery, there are going to a lot of emails talking up the success of the ACC network. .
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NoodlesGilloon said... (original post) The ACC schools were convinced that annACC network would make as much as the Big 10 and SEC Networks. ESPN tried to tell them they didn’t th...
The ACC succeeded in closing the gap in income to a neglible amount. That only changed with the latest round of contracts.
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Posted on May 9th, 7:47 AM, , User Since 51 months ago, User Post Count: 16400
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PalmettoLaw said... (original post) Careful. Clemson calls that type of talk slanderous now.
"Dude, we're trying to change conferences and you are TOTALLY harshing our vibe!"
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PalmettoLaw said... (original post) My understanding is that there is one media rights agreement that has been amended at least once. So you might have to look at multiple pieces ...
There's also secondary and tertiary rights as well. Does the school retain those in the ACC agreement?
Did the ACC negotiate the CW broadcasts? If so, would that demonstrate that the media rights extend beyond "ESPN"?
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TommyShelby said... (original post) There's also secondary and tertiary rights as well. Does the school retain those in the ACC agreement?Did the ACC negotiate the CW broadca...
The ACC sublicensed some games to Raycom, which then sold its rights to the CW. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38007548/acc-cw-strike-broadcast-deal-air-50-football-basketball-games
Posted on May 9th, 9:01 AM, , User Since 164 months ago, User Post Count: 36064
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PalmettoLaw said... (original post) The ACC sublicensed some games to Raycom, which then sold its rights to the CW. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38007548/acc-cw-...
I'm just curious whether ACC holds option on everything or just a part of the package.
The ACC Network is quite profitable and more of a joint venture so not sure what's at stake.
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PalmettoLaw said... (original post) My understanding is that there is one media rights agreement that has been amended at least once. So you might have to look at multiple pieces ...
One question I have is whether a University President can bind a state university to such an agreement without the consent of the legislature or at least the governing board of the school. It sounds like the agreement was discussed by phone and verbally agreed to by the Presidents and then faxed around to each school and signed by the University Presidents. I'm not saying they can't, but I wonder if that is at the heart of the sovereign immunity argument by FSU.
